ゼロ戦とか隼は味方爆撃機の損耗率がとにかく酷い 常にこういう風にボコボコに落とされる 0299名無し三等兵2018/07/08(日) 23:11:50.24ID:B3NdW7cA>>293 USAAF bombers in the European War, 1942-45 Bomber Type Number of Sorties Bomb Tonnage US Aircraft Lost in combat Enemy Aircraft Claimed Destroyed in Air*
Ｂ-25の損失率はＢ-17やＢ-29より低いんだが、どこが脆いんだ？ 著者: Air Force Association『Air Force Fifty』 0300名無し三等兵2018/07/08(日) 23:19:35.45ID:JaBR4PJK>>299 対して使われなかったから ヨーロッパにはマローダーやインベーダーなんて上位互換機体が配備されてたから 0301名無し三等兵2018/07/08(日) 23:24:59.02ID:B3NdW7cA>>298 そんなもんボーデンプラッテ作戦のナチ空軍の壊滅的な損失に比べたら微々たるもんだｗ
The Luftwaffe lost 143 pilots killed and missing, while 70 were captured and 21 wounded including t hree Geschwaderkommodore, five Gruppenkommandeure, and 14 Staffelkapitane?the largest single-day loss for the Luftwaffe. Many of the formation leaders lost were experienced veterans, which placed even more pressure on those who were left. Thus, Bodenplatte was a very short-term success but a long-term failure; Allied losses were soon made up. Lost Luftwaffe aircraft and pilots were irreplaceable. German historian Gerhard Weinberg wrote that it left the Germans “weaker than ever and incapable of mounting any major attack again”.
大陸仕様の戦闘機と海軍仕様の戦闘機を共に開発し続け40万機も生産するアメリカはやはりガイジってことでひとつ 0319名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:11:29.13ID:gEasHqdZ>>307 >>314 すまん、やはり全期間みたいだな 最初はダコタの輸送を妨害されたが、3飛行隊のスピットファイアが直ぐに航空優勢を勝ち取り ダコタがガンガン輸送しまくったという話だった 隼が役立たずという話でFAだな この輸送でアキャブの戦いは決まった 0320名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:12:17.07ID:acUGPJ6h>>316 ソースは Ficha tecnica sobre el estado de las Fuerzas Armadas de Alemania en la segunda guerra mundial, biblioteca GRU del Estado Mayor de las Fuerzas Armadas de la URSS, inv.№ 3476s, l.15. と書いてるから ロシア軍を『嘘つき』と罵倒してこいよｗ
The first air-drop missions met opposition from Japanese fighters and some transport aircraft were forced to turn back but three squadrons of Spitfires, operating from new airfields around Chittagong, gained air superiority over the battlefield. Sixty-five Japanese aircraft were claimed shot down or damaged for the loss of three Spitfires (though the Japanese fighters also shot down several Hawker Hurricane fighter-bombers and other aircraft.) [12] Whatever the true figures, the Japanese fighters were quickly driven from the area.[2] 0322名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:16:42.99ID:acUGPJ6h>>319 戦闘機だけ抜き出しても P-38 1機 スピットファイア5機 ハリケーン13機 P-51 2機 A-36A 1機
一式戦11機だからな
https://www.chuckhawks.com/p47.htm The Jug's record against all opposing aircraft is remarkable. The ratio of kills to losses was unmistakably a winner. Thunderbolt pilots destroyed a total of 11,874 enemy aircraft, over 9,000 trains, and 160,000 vehicles.
P-51s were the nemesis of the Luftwaffe, shooting down 4,950 enemy aircraft while achieving a kill ratio of 11:1. P‐51も負けじとナチ戦闘機4,950機を撃墜 キルレシオ1：11 やられメカレベルのナチ戦闘機と違って一式戦は戦闘機同士なら互角以上の戦いだなｗ 0323名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:18:06.08ID:F6SS/BUI>>320 ナチ空軍だけで173万も死んでりゃ一体ナチ陸軍だけで何百万人死んでるやらw 死傷者を死者と誤訳する馬鹿にはわかんねーからw 0324名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:18:35.10ID:acUGPJ6h>>321 (though the Japanese fighters also shot down several Hawker Hurricane fighter-bombers and other aircraft.) なんでこの一文を無視したの？ｗ 英語得意なのにｗ 0325名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:23:57.01ID:acUGPJ6h>>323 Bajas de personal de las fuerzas aereas 空軍の職員の損失で死傷者とは書いてないはずだが でも米英軍の人的損失はcasualties（死傷者）で記述してることが多いから 大した差はなかろう。 どうせナチ兵の多くは捕虜になって捕虜収容所で死んでるんだから 0326名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:31:26.52ID:TgnlxN64>>37 元のwikiの資料よりドイツ軍の損害を水増し加算してる上にイギリス軍の損害は同一のwikiを参照にしていない 544名は英軍に参加した英連邦の多国籍のみの損害
The value of Allied air power had been demonstrated, and was to be a vital factor in the overall Allied victory in the Burma campaign. At the Japanese surrender meetings in Rangoon on 11 September 1945, [17] Major General Ichida read a statement which identified two unforeseen and vital factors which had put the Japanese at a "disastrous disadvantage":
(a) Allied air supply, which permitted ground forces in Burma to consolidate their positions without being forced to retreat and thus rendered the enemy's infiltration and encircling tactics abortive. (b) Allied air superiority,which so disrupted Japanese supply lines, both in Burma and further afield, that starvation and illness overtook thousands of Japanese troops facing Fourteenth Army and also denied them the essential supplies of fuel, equipment and material with which to fight a better equipped and supplied, Allied Force. 0329名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:38:18.89ID:acUGPJ6h>>326 (though the Japanese fighters also shot down several Hawker Hurricane fighter-bombers and other aircraft.) 損害を水増ししたり、上の一文を抜くような姑息な手段をしてはいけないよねｗ
>>327 希望的憶測？ 損失＝戦死と考えるのは希望的なのかｗ それに死傷者だとしてもそう人的損失としてそう変わりはないだろう 0330名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:39:07.08ID:acUGPJ6h>>328 (though the Japanese fighters also shot down several Hawker Hurricane fighter-bombers and other aircraft.) でもスピットファイア以外にハリケーンとかも撃墜してるよなｗ 0331名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:42:05.19ID:qjuiphRF ナチ好きってペテン師しかいねーのかよ どや顔で英文まで貼ってバカとしか 0332名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 00:44:05.81ID:gEasHqdZ ほらよ訂正してやったよ
＞日本機 損失 65機 → 隼とかいうウンコ、格闘戦でうんたらとかこんなもん ＞イギリス 損失 3機 → スピットファイア + (though the Japanese fighters also shot down several Hawker Hurricane fighter-bombers and other aircraft.)
Western air and naval forces tended to suffer a much higher percentage of deaths among their combat casualties than did Western ground forces. The U.S. Navy lost 31,157 killed in action out of a total of 62,858 combat casualties in the Pacific, a figure of nearly 50%. The U.S. Army Air Forces lost 15,694 dead and missing out of a total of 24,230 casualties in the Pacific, a figure of 65%. http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm0342名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 01:10:10.54ID:acUGPJ6h>>341 一方爆撃機の損失率を見るとベルリンの 6.6 パーセントに対し、日本主要都市全体で 1.9 パーセント、東京空襲の数値は 3.3 パーセントである。マリアナ諸島から日本本土を爆撃・ 機雷投下のため出撃した B-29 の損失をみると、昼間は、11,826 回の出撃に対し、損失数 は 179 機で損失率は 1.5 パーセントであるのに、夜間は 14,596 回の出撃に対し損失数は 138 機で損失率は 0.95 パーセントであった。夜間の損失率は昼間の三分の二だった
Aggregate United States plane losses during the course of the Pacific war, not including training losses in the United States, were approximately 27,000 planes. Of these losses 8,700 were on combat missions; the remainder were training, ferrying and other noncombat losses. Of the combat losses over 60 percent were to antiaircraft fire. http://www.anesi.com/ussbs01.htm
In the attack by Allied air power, almost 2,700,000 tons of bombs were dropped, more than 1,440,000 bomber sorties and 2,680,000 fighter sorties were flown. The number of combat planes reached a peak of some 28,000 and at the maximum 1,300,000 men were in combat commands. The number of men lost in air action was 79,265 Americans and 79,281 British. [Note: All RAF statistics are preliminary or tentative.] More than 18,000 American and 22,000 British planes were lost or damaged beyond repair. http://www.anesi.com/ussbs02.htm0355名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 06:55:04.44ID:5gn4S1Ao>>345 1944年5月8日に英空母エンペラーから発進したF6Fがノルウエー沖を飛行中にドイツ空軍のBf109とFw190と交戦してF6F損失0で3機撃墜
Removing Japan from these lands - which fell primarily to the United States- proved no easy task. Imperial Japanese soldiers surrendered at appallingly low rates. According to some sources, only one to three percent of Japanese forces surrendered throughout the war, and only one third of these troops actually wanted to surrender (the rest were too sick or wounded to commit suicide or continue fighting.) As a result, most estimates suggest that America’s casualty rate in the Pacific theater was about three and a half times larger than in Europe
ハーバード大学卒業、冷戦下にモスクワ大学に留学歴があり、世界史の著作を多数執筆している歴史家 ジョージ・ファイファーは、アメリカ側の沖縄戦書籍としては、最も詳細なものの一つとなる著書Tennozan: The Battle of Okinawa and the Atomic Bombの中で「前年の夏にノルマンディを防御した一部のドイツ軍部隊は、 極めて多い死傷者にも関わらず、持ち堪え、逆襲すら行って、連合軍指揮官に強い感銘を与えた。しかし、 ドイツ軍の兵器の多くは日本軍のものと違って、対抗する連合軍の兵器より優れていた。暗い見通しに関わらず、 優れた戦術と忍耐で戦ったドイツ機甲師団も、沖縄で日本軍が示した離れ業には匹敵できなかった（中略） このような状況にくじけることなく、多くの死傷者が出ると言う悲劇にも耐える事ができたのが日本陸軍だけであったろう。」 とノルマンディー上陸作戦のドイツ軍と沖縄戦の日本陸軍を対比している。 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%96%E7%B8%84%E6%88%A6
自動小銃とパンターのナチ武装親衛隊機甲師団＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜＜38式小銃とチハの大日本帝国陸軍第32軍 0358名無し三等兵2018/07/09(月) 07:15:24.11ID:acUGPJ6h>>345 死者14万人というけど THE UNITED STATES STRATEGIC BOMBING SURVEY Summary Report(European War)によれば http://www.anesi.com/ussbs02.htm#pagei
The number of men lost in air action was 79,265 Americans and 79,281 British. で失ったとしか書いてないから
Chowringhee On the night of 6-7th March twelve gliders were flown into the second landing site Chowringhee and another airstrip was constructed. Next night Dakotas began bringing in 2 battalions from 111th Brigade into Chowringhee from Tulihal. By 8th March a force of 1,200 men, 200 mules and their equipment and ammunition had been flown in. After this Chowringhee was abandoned because it was found to be vulnerable to ground and air attack. A few hours after it was evacuated Chowringhee was bombed by the Japanese air force. http://www.chindits.info/Thursday/OperationThursday.htm
